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If you’ve ever been overwhelmed by the thought of the toxins and toxicity that surround us, you may be relieved to hear our guest today. Therese “Tee” Forton-Barnes gives us a definition of toxins that makes it usable for each of us in our lives. We talk about eliminating the unnecessary toxins in our lives and homes and making the choices that are best for our health. It is a great conversation and we hope you’ll enjoy it as much as we did.
In this episode, you will hear:
- Avoiding the toxins that are unnecessary in our lives.
- How Tee started an organic product company.
- The power behind essential oils.
- The difference between glass and plastic containers.
- Taking steps in the right direction (even if they are baby steps).
- Why you need to stay away from fragrance.
- Reading your labels and knowing your ingredients.
Therese “Tee” Forton-Barnes
Therese is the Household Toxins Health Specialist and the Head Guru at The Green Living Gurus. She is an entrepreneur, activist, podcast host, and educator. She spreads awareness of chemical exposure that could cause many autoimmune illnesses, cancer, and other ailments.
She individuals reduce their exposure to toxicants and ease the overwhelm and nerves of chemical confusion. She guides you in creating a non-toxic home to reduce the risk of illnesses and toxic poisoning and increase the odds of a long, healthy, vital life and a safe environment for you and your family.
She does this through her Green Living Pioneer coaching program, in addition to a weekly podcast show, newsletter, blog posts, social media, and Tee’s Organics, a line of household cleaners and products that are healthy for you and your home.
Apps Mentioned on Today’s Podcast
- EWG – Healthy Living: https://www.ewg.org/apps/
- Detox Me: https://web.detoxmeapp.org/
- Silent Spring: https://silentspring.org/
Connect with Therese “Tee” Forton-Barnes:
Website: https://thegreenlivinggurus.com/
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/GreenLivingGurus
Tee’s Organics: https://www.facebook.com/Tees-Organics-104471715225842
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/greenlivinggurus/
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCW7_phs1GZUPzG21Zgjnqtw
Twitter: https://twitter.com/teeforton
Podcast: https://directory.libsyn.com/shows/view/id/greenlivingwithtee
Shop Tee’s Organics here:
https://thegreenlivinggurus.com/shop-tees-organics/
Connect with R Blank and Stephanie Warner:
For more Healthier Tech Podcast episodes, and to download our Healthier Tech Quick Start Guide, visit https://www.healthiertech.co and follow https://instagram.com/healthiertech
Additional Links:
- Shield Your Body website: https://ShieldYourBody.com
- Shield Your Body Youtube Channel: https://youtube.com/shieldyourbody
- Host R Blank on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rblank9/
- Shield Your Body on Instagram:https://instagram.com/shieldyourbody
Transcript
Tee Forton-Barnes 0:00
my working definition of a toxin is something that is added to a product or food that you really don’t need in your life in your body that could cause havoc to your health. So there’s so many toxins out there some, we can’t get around, you walk outside the house, there’s toxins coming out of our cars. But in my life, toxin is are things that we can avoid, and you should try to avoid as many of them as possible.
Announcer 0:31
Welcome to the healthier tech podcast, the show about building a healthier relationship with modern technology. Now, here are your hosts, R blank and Stephanie Warner.
R Blank 0:44
Well stuff the conversation that our listeners are about to hear we cover a lot of ground on toxins, which you know, is a topic that’s super important here on the healthier tech podcast. One point I’m going to ask the listeners to listen for in particular, is how T kind of helps me narrow my definition of of a toxin and toxicity into one that’s more usable. And it was the first time I’d ever thought of it that way.
Stephanie Warner 1:08
Yeah, I love that part. It definitely opened my mind to the definition as well and kind of, you know, made me I guess define a toxin a little bit better in my own life. And so it’s not doesn’t feel like everything’s a toxin. It’s there was a it was it was a really good definition. And I also want to challenge our listeners, if you’ve listened to some if you’re a normal regular listener, there’s another key thing that we get into a little bit about how to start working on eliminating some of the toxins in your home. And there’s a common theme and I’m just gonna say spoiler alert fragrance because it’s, I really want to highlight that word. So let’s, let’s get into it are
R Blank 1:49
excellent, let’s get into it. All right. Teres or T. Fortin Barnes is a household toxins health specialist, and the podcast host of green living with tea. She is an entrepreneur, activist, educator, matchmaker and event consultant. She raises awareness of the dangers of chemical exposure, which have been linked to cancer, autoimmune disease and other illnesses. She helps you design a non toxic house to lower your risk of illness and toxic poisoning. improve your chances of living a long healthy life and provide a safe environment for you and your family. Teresa found a tease organics a line of healthy household cleaning products for you in your home. She spends her time in her beloved hometown of Buffalo, New York, where I’m sure it is toasty warm right now, with her husband, Tom and Australian Labradoodle Murphy. Welcome to the healthier tech podcast tea.
Unknown Speaker 2:45
Thank you for having me. I appreciate it.
R Blank 2:48
Yeah. Well, it’s great to connect with you again. I really enjoyed our chat before on your podcast. So I’m super happy to repay the favour. I’d like to start with what I think is the most pressing question, which is I’ve been through your website. And I didn’t see any photos of Murphy.
Unknown Speaker 3:10
Oh, he’s all over my Well, he’s up. Because he has his own Instagram page. Yeah. All right. Oh, I can’t believe I don’t have him on my
R Blank 3:22
me baby. There are some but I couldn’t find it.
Unknown Speaker 3:25
Right, I have to go back. And look, he’s my business partner. He sits right next to me.
R Blank 3:33
But in both chambers I am the guest can learn something from it too. So we like toxins are something we often talk about on this show. And I realised I mean, I know. This is a question I could answer by going to the dictionary. But I realised I never asked this question of our guests who specialised in toxins. And I thought this would be I’d like to start today, today’s real part of the interview by asking like what’s your working definition of a toxin.
Unknown Speaker 4:05
So that is interesting, because it’s very broad, right? And but my working definition of a toxin is something that is added to a product or food that you really don’t need in your life in your body, that could cause havoc to your health. So there’s so many toxins out there some we can’t get around, you walk outside the house. There’s toxins coming out of our cars. But in my life toxin is are things that we can avoid and you should try to avoid as many of them as possible.
R Blank 4:42
Oh, that’s interesting. So it’s something that so part of the definition is that it’s something that can be avoided. Absolutely like that. I like that. So that’s a nice, that’s like,
Unknown Speaker 4:53
yeah, and we have choices.
R Blank 4:55
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, no, cuz I increasingly and maybe this is the cynical side. After me talking, but I’ve really come to, to view like, everything in life is effectively a tux. But like to your point, you know, if you start to narrow it down as to the things that actually can be avoided, then it really gives more meaning to the word. And it gives it kind of empowers you as the consumer and as the decision maker. So how did you get into your work with, with toxins and as a house household toxins health specialist,
Unknown Speaker 5:30
so I go way back to my days of being raised here in Buffalo, my mother back in the 60s, I was raising us in a non toxic world and kept us cleaning with vinegar and baking soda and organic food. And no, we’re not going to eat at McDonald’s. And no, we’re not going to have fast foods. And that was our way of life. And we shopped it a little Co Op, which we still shop at this to this day here in Buffalo. And, and then as I started getting older, I started realising we were kind of the odd ones and get it getting a little bit teased about it here and there. Kind of call this granola heads. But that was what I knew I came home and ate hummus and stuff, grape leaves, and apples and oranges. And we that’s how we were raised. And then I went to college. And I decided when I went to college, I wanted to open up a large health food store that would show everybody about how great all these products are that we’re using. And you know, that health food store as whole foods, but I never opened up my health food store, unfortunately, because I was a party planner. And I was also definitely the, the, the black sheep of my family when it became you know, planning parties in our house. And but nonetheless, I know two totally crazy different things. But so the past 38 years, I’ve been planning events here in Buffalo, but throughout those years, I have not lost touch with what I’ve really wanted to do. And that has been helping people get toxic chemicals out of their homes and cancer patients would come to me and I was just doing things on the side for free. And I kept saying I’ve got I want to plant over 700 events. And I really want to take that next step in my life, and really help people avoid all these toxic chemicals. And I’m so angry at the companies that are still using them and so sad at the amount of people that are thinking these products are okay, and then hearing people getting cancer left and right close people that I know that have no idea about so many of these chemicals, and not just cancer, but so many other things and chronic disease in general chronic diseases, you know, so. So that’s where I am.
R Blank 7:48
So I’m going to jump around here a little bit. I see a nice little segue there. So I understand that you didn’t found Whole Foods, but you did found a line of organic products. And you know that that that takes as someone who runs a product company. That’s like a big step. That’s not like, oh, you know, I do event planning. Let me also I’ll just start. So like that, that that took some serious motivation.
Unknown Speaker 8:18
Yes, it does. It did. I definitely have the enterpreneurship bug. And I’m constantly doing things like that. But I was making my own all purpose cleaner, and giving it away as gifts. And it got to the point where everybody just wanted more of it. And why don’t you just start a line. I’m like, okay, and then somebody put me in touch with the right person here in Buffalo. And that helps that does it actually, uh, we came up with our recipe ingredients, everything labels, bottles, and that’s how it came to be. And then three room sprays and hopefully some more things down the line. So you know, we’re starting off small, but they all purpose cleaner. That’s about all I use in my house. So
R Blank 9:02
that’s great. So how do you get how do you get these made? Like do you make them yourself?
Unknown Speaker 9:07
No, no, no, no, no, that’s I have a manufacturer here here. Who does that for me? Oh,
R Blank 9:12
that’s great. Yes. And so and you sell those through your website? Yep.
Unknown Speaker 9:17
On the website online. Exactly. Very cool. Yeah, we ship them all over the country. So we’re a little we’re tiny right now but I’m in the process of kind of not kind of growing it so take baby steps
R Blank 9:30
always.
Unknown Speaker 9:32
Yeah, exactly.
R Blank 9:33
So what’s what what makes your go into the cleaner it sounds like that’s your primary product what makes that like what makes that a special cleaner.
Unknown Speaker 9:45
So that first of all, it’s in a glass jar because we use essential oils, organic essential oils, so it’s a combination of organic vinegar, purified water and seven different essential oils, essential oils. are so powerful but yet so, so wonderful when it comes to cleaning things. So the seven different ones that if I can remember them all lemon, wild orange, rosemary, ginger and a few more that I can’t pick out of my head right now I should know these like, you know quickly but they all have antibacterial properties, most of them do antibacterial properties, antifungal properties, and antiviral properties. So they’re, everything’s in a beautiful, I think it’s over my shoulder, although we’re on a podcast so and they’re in blue cobalt glass jars. So recycle reuse, we have a little jar that you can order to pour, pour it in there and keep using the same jar over and over and over. So and companies that say they have essential oils, but they’re putting them in plastic containers. Is is they need to be in glass jars.
R Blank 10:59
And yeah, so can you for I mean, that makes intuitive sense to me, although I don’t know the science behind it. But for for, for me and our listeners, can you explain why that difference between glass and plastic is so significant when you’re talking about products like this,
Unknown Speaker 11:15
so the so the glass number one, but our glass because the sun, the light can affect essential oils, and same with plastic, so it can break them down. And they don’t, they’re not as effective. So they really need to be in dark glass containers now, plastic do I need to say anything more besides fine anything with plastic? We need plastic in our lives.
R Blank 11:43
I just, I just read a study and I’m talking about like, I didn’t read the study, I read a headline and the article above I know it’s very important to separate those two out. I didn’t read the actual study but I read an article just yesterday about a new study that shows now that eating one freshwater fish now take includes an annual load of P FOSS the Forever chemicals that come from from from plastic and that’s just from one freshwater fish. So no, you don’t need to you don’t, don’t need to explain. So and with the glass, you have it set up to be obviously reusable. So to
Unknown Speaker 12:28
reusable. Exactly. And they’re beautiful too. So I may so say so myself. So I keep mine on the counter, I don’t have to put my underneath the counter because they’re really a beautiful blue cobalt glass. Perfect to put on your counter.
Stephanie Warner 12:44
Awesome. Um, I so I kind of want to jump into this that into this topic a little bit because you like, I am concerned about toxins in the household. But it’s so hard to get away from them. Because it seems like overwhelmingly like there’s just so much it’s like, do you just get rid of everything? And then what do you do? Like, is there a specific place that you recommend somebody to start who’s just in this consumer world of everything has a million chemicals that you don’t you can’t pronounce and you don’t even really know what they are? Like? How would you simplify this this journey for someone to get started?
Unknown Speaker 13:23
Yeah, that’s a very good question. And that’s important for everybody to know and understand that you take baby steps. The most important thing is that you take steps in the right direction of starting to understand what are you bringing into your house, what is that label, if you went shopping and all of the products that you went out to buy were turned around and you weren’t looking at the front of the label that they put all the pretty stuff on and flowers and lemons and you look at the back of the labels, you would be shocked and you would be more aware of what you are using. Because anything you bring in your house, whether it’s cleaning supplies, anything made a plastic shower curtains, food, even any things that you eat things that you clean with personal care products, all of these chemicals, you have to just be aware of what it what it Where are they going? Are they going on your floor? Are they going are you swallowing? Are you eating them? Are you putting them on your hair, your skin? Are you shaving with them? I mean the list goes on and on. And it’s daunting. It’s overwhelming. Trust me. I mean I help people with this but it’s taking one thing at a time. My start might think might what I have everybody start with are your cleaning supplies and your your laundry detergent. Because these are things that are being used in your house all the time. And especially laundry soap laundry because you’re sleeping in it. You’re breathing in whatever you’re wearing. In that day, you are potentially putting those toxins out into the air in your house because you’re washing them and they’re going through your dryer and then you’re also renting them out to Mother Earth too. But laundry soap laundry detergent is really something that I try to get everybody to look at first. And then the most important thing that I tried to get people understand, and anything you use it shampoo, deodorant, lotion, cleaning supplies, which are the most they use this the most is the word fragrance. So the word fragrance, it’s sometimes it’s perfume, consensus, perfume. It’s not regulated, basically. And it’s from the 1940s from Chanel, number five came to the government and said, We don’t want to tell them what’s in our product, because it’s a trade secret. So they said, Alright, it’s a fragrance. So anybody that uses the word fragrance, and this is true, if you It’s unbelievable to me, this day and age, it’s still a law that you do not have to say what is in your product, sunscreen, take that for an example. They’ve been finding benzene in the sunscreen. Yeah, benzene is known to be in fragrance as well. So if it has a centre smell, and you think that’s lemon flavour, do you think that’s vanilla, or lilac, or whatever it’s not. And it’s a bunch of chemicals, which many are known carcinogens, put in these products that they want you to think your hair smelling that good, or your clothes or your cleaning supply. So that’s, that’s number one thing I try to get people off of is fragrance. It’s really, I think, the most toxic thing that is out there and anything that you use candles, another one horrible, the fragrance that they put in there, and then you’re burning these chemicals in your home, that are just you’re breathing them in. So that’s that’s the most important thing. I think if you start there, you’re making a huge, huge step in the right direction.
R Blank 17:05
Yeah, so to to the in my it’s now been about 10 years that I’ve been working, shield your body. And two of the biggest changes to my personal thinking have been one I already said which is, so much of life is actually toxic right now. And then the other is what you just touched on, which is the sham that regulations are in so many different sectors and tech, obviously being one of them. And we’ve learned actually, on this on previous episodes of this podcast about things like fragrance and and other components or ingredients of these things that we surround ourselves with. They just let them get away with everything. Now there’s certain other areas of tech, obviously, with sy B, we focus on EMF, but on this podcast, and with healthier Tech, we try to expand that. And we look at toxic impacts of technology, you know, beyond just the radiation emissions that come from them. And, and but I’m about to ask the question. So I appreciate your patience. Because going back to what you talked about, at the very start of the podcast, where a toxin is something that can be avoided. Do you view your technology any aspect of modern technology as toxic or potentially toxic? And have you modified your behaviours? In light of that in light of how you view toxins?
Unknown Speaker 18:38
Yes, I do. And I see people walking around with ear pods and it freaks me out a little bit because that’s, I mean, how the signals How is that getting to the your ear pod from your phone? I mean, that’s just one thing I that just came to mind.
R Blank 18:56
I agree.
Unknown Speaker 18:57
I’m wired. I can be wired in. I’m gonna be wired. So, yes. Now is that my specialty? No, but do I talk about it a lot. And
R Blank 19:08
so yeah, no, but in your life? I mean, right? We all use tonnes of technology. Yep.
Unknown Speaker 19:13
Everybody wants it wireless. Yep. And I tried not to but you know, I have to I have to have the technology around me. I have to have certain things around me, but I’m pretty low. I don’t I don’t have a lot of, you know, a lot of wireless stuff. It’s just really my router. We’re not a huge Tech Tech type people except for my cell phone. But
R Blank 19:37
and so yeah, like do you do you find yourself looking at your relationship with your cell phone as something that should be managed? Because of its potential for toxicity?
Unknown Speaker 19:48
Absolutely. I mean, I’m like, My husband doesn’t turn his phone off at night. I’m like, get that out of the room. Like no, it’s got to, you know that that scares me. a lot with people, especially these young kids that their brains are starting to develop and all of the They’re all sleeping with their phones. Yeah. And it’s been, that’s just the start of everything that they’re, you know, being inundated with. We grew up with no cell phones. So. So, for that matter, yes. It’s, it’s, it’s it’s hard. It’s hard. And it’s hard talking to people about all that, too, because it’s so they can’t see it, you know, it’s not an ingredient.
Stephanie Warner 20:38
Right. Right. Right. It is baked in. It’s really baked into our lives in a in a different way. I think. And, you know, so there’s like, there’s a toxicity part of the technology, of course, but also, you know, the, the opposite side of that is that it’s baked into our life phones and technology, because it can be helpful. In what ways? Have you found ways that utilising and leveraging Tech has actually been helpful for getting your message out? Or educating people? Like are there are there are places where you think that the tech is really actually helpful, and spreading your word and your your vision?
Unknown Speaker 21:19
Well, in the sense that I can refer people to different apps, and websites that they can plug in products? And I don’t just tell them how bad dryer sheets are, I sell them somewhere? And they can they can see that on a scale of one to 10 the amount of chemicals in there that could cause cancer, things like that. Yes. So when it comes to using certain apps to help having people guide them through decreasing the toxins in their homes? Yes, then that regards, and also the EMF, I mean, determining how much EMF is in our homes and what you guys do, too. So I mean, there’s my focus, not that tech. And EMF is not my focus, but my core focus is personal care products. And
R Blank 22:19
so were you referring to that perhaps that helps people understand the toxicity of various products. Well, what are some of those apps? Well, the
Unknown Speaker 22:28
Environmental Working Group has a great app. That is, you can find that on their website, but you can’t even go to the website. And even when you’re shopping, you can do this barcode barcode, UPC you see it. Most items. I think they have like 80,000 items in there. I can’t remember. They it’ll tell you what the tax ID city level of certain products are. When you
R Blank 22:57
really go to buy it not I’m aware of the DWG but I was not aware of that app.
Unknown Speaker 23:02
Yeah. Ew G and have them at my fingertips if you want. Healthy Living is one. Think dirty is another detox me is another there’s a bunch Silent Spring I think came out with a new one. I don’t know if you know, Silent Spring. Healthy Living is Environmental Working Groups.
R Blank 23:29
Okay. Yeah.
Unknown Speaker 23:32
I don’t personally use them because I don’t
R Blank 23:37
have been ingrained and you’re not going out and buying time.
Unknown Speaker 23:39
Totally. I love going through people’s homes. Because people say Would you just come in my bathroom? Show me? I am their app.
R Blank 23:49
You’re Yeah. You’re the Marie Kondo of toxins. Oh, yeah.
Stephanie Warner 23:53
Like I feel like it’s it’s like when you start actually thinking about you know, you gave an anchor point of fragrance. It’s such a great anchor point in the home. And there’s so I mean, everything has a fragrance. And then you know, when I started thinking about I was sitting here listening to you talk and my face was like, because there’s like the identifying it but then the what do you do about it? Like what is so we you know, if somebody is concerned and they want to take that first step, and they’re like, Okay, so laundry detergent is perfect. You know, it makes our clothes smell good. It’s hard to get away from what’s the alternative? You know, what would what would be something that someone could do if they want to get rid of using being you know, dependent on these laundry detergents that are so heavily fragrance fragranced, what else what’s the alternative? What’s
Unknown Speaker 24:47
the alternative? Or there’s many different companies that are making soaps laundry soaps that clean your laundry as well without using all the chemicals in the fragrance chemicals. And
R Blank 25:02
if people were interested in is this the kind of thing because I noticed in addition to your teas organic store, you also have an Amazon store.
Unknown Speaker 25:10
I do I have so many things on that Amazon store. I do that just as a reference for people believe me.
R Blank 25:16
Yeah, so So I was gonna ask are like some of these detergents that you’re talking about? Can they be found in that store?
Unknown Speaker 25:21
memorias one, Molly’s Suds is another seventh generation is decent, too. I mean, that’s the most popular you’ll find at Target many. So if you can even make that change, the problem is, and you said something, you said, our laundry smell wants to be smell good. So that has been ingrained in our brains that our laundry has to smell. And unfortunately, that smell, okay, it’s came from the chemical companies that put those smells together that make you believe that that’s a fresh scent. And unfortunately, that is such a toxic smell. If people really knew what was making that smell, the 30 different ingredients that went in there if you saw them, putting these concoctions together with these chemicals that people have hazmat suits on making, right, and then putting them in your laundry. So you might not sleep in it. You might and I’ve gotten more people be like I can’t get I can’t. The smell. I grew up with it. I love it. And then I started training them about this is what you’re sleeping in. This is and then I have friends who have constantly sniffles and people. Just do me a favour. Let’s get rid of this and watch your sniffles go away. Watch your sore throat go away when you wake up in the morning. Your eyes, you know maybe might not burn as much. These are chemicals that you are sleeping in and breathing in all day. And they can make you very sick. I have a sister that has an autoimmune illness. If she comes in contact with any fragrance like this, it immediately triggers a migraine in her and if it’s really bad it can send her to the hospital. Oh wow. And it it goes to show you somebody it just what it can what they can do to your body. I mean, I’ve had so many people that have gotten off bed laundry soap and dryer sheets and they all of a sudden realised like oh my god, my headache went away my sore throat that I wake up with every morning. sniffles clot you know, always blowing your nose. I mean, these are common things that these chemicals do they they’re irritants?
R Blank 27:36
So I just real quick. Your opinion is Dr. Bronner’s Okay, or have I been gone? Oh my god.
Unknown Speaker 27:44
Okay, amazing. I use Dr. Bronner’s for my hands up. I washed my face and Dr. Bronner’s. I use the baby soap. Because it’s got the least amount of anything in it, but anything Dr. Bronner’s is amazing. I watched the dog in it. We wash our hair, and I do the dishes.
R Blank 28:03
I picked the right brand I asked.
Unknown Speaker 28:07
Bring that up. Yeah. Dr. Bronner’s is amazing. It really is. So been around for a long time.
R Blank 28:14
Ya know, it’s just what their label, uh, you know, I can’t tell if it’s really good for me, or if they’ve just done brilliant branding that makes me assume it’s good for me. Yeah.
Stephanie Warner 28:24
Well, I think yeah, well, one of the challenges is that, you know, these companies will see if they see the trend, they see that there is there is an uptick of people who want stuff that is more healthy for them. So they look at the successful brands like Dr. Bronner’s, and they do they try to market in a similar fashion, they find what works and then they trick you. And
R Blank 28:48
you just kind of assume that anything you buy at Trader Joe’s is good for you, even though it’s like the same stuff that you would get at Kmart just in a fancier package, right?
Unknown Speaker 28:58
Yeah, you gotta read your labels and know your ingredients. That’s what I always tell everybody.
R Blank 29:03
And you’ve given us the tools, some of those tools too so so takeaway key takeaways are to change your cleaning your your all purpose cleaner, hopefully to tease
Unknown Speaker 29:15
now. ALL PURPOSE CLEANER these cleaning companies make you want to think you need six products.
R Blank 29:20
Hmm, yeah, well, but for glass you do. Glass does streak if you use an all purpose cleaner, doesn’t it? I use
Unknown Speaker 29:26
it on my glass. But okay. People need to have like,
R Blank 29:30
I’m gonna have to try it. I’m gonna have to try it. Yeah. So we have changing your cleaners and changing your laundry detergent. Yes. Installing one of these apps that may be that we’ll be linking to from the show notes. Yes. Where else would you like our listeners to connect with you t
Unknown Speaker 29:53
so they can connect with me everything’s listed on the website. All my social media is on the website. The podcast is on the website. blog, and it’s that Green Living gurus.com.
R Blank 30:04
And, and The podcast is also linked off of there. And that’s green living with tea. Correct. And that’s a great, great resource for anyone interested in learning more about, about toxins in hearing teas take on that interviewing people from a wide variety of backgrounds. T, this has been a really wonderful conversation, a really wonderful chat. I really like. I mean, we covered a lot that I like, like I said, I didn’t even know about these apps. But you’re the way that we started and by talking not not just about the intentional exclusion of Murphy from your website, but the way that you view your definition of toxins. That’s the first time I’ve asked that question. And since your answer was so good, I think I’m gonna have to ask that all the time, because it really helped kind of opened my mind to this discussion. So I want to thank you so much for taking the time today to come join us on the healthier tech podcast. Welcome.
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